tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post7216959829151045880..comments2023-10-09T09:13:34.103-07:00Comments on Theocentric Living: Personal Reflections on the Current Controversy: Part 5Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-10163913555317099302008-05-09T14:36:00.000-07:002008-05-09T14:36:00.000-07:00was speaking to a brother last night who was liste...was speaking to a brother last night who was listening to the Wessels evidence on http://www.putfile.com/lieutenantcolumbo/media . The more he listened it seemed the more righteous anger he was experiencing (based on testimony that rings true) at how people have been abused the last 15 years. <BR/><BR/>These immediately come to mind as a matter of shedding light in the midst of darkness.<BR/><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-30109467728840209172008-05-09T12:11:00.000-07:002008-05-09T12:11:00.000-07:00Josh, suppose a need to clarify things alluded to ...Josh, suppose a need to clarify things alluded to earlier in posts re: fcc money handling of 2005. Hope this helps. Pray for everyone, graces and mercies from the Creator of heaven and earth. <BR/><BR/>As stated, when God first brought to light the fcc money take-home process, Pastor Morey phoned and said he was ripped off by the Russell brothers of Texas, and he doesn't trust anyone with the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-34759955403581455672008-05-05T01:07:00.000-07:002008-05-05T01:07:00.000-07:00"Reformed Uncle" or anyone else out there, could y..."Reformed Uncle" or anyone else out there, could you please email me a copy of the letter by Douglas Shenk that was read or given out by Morey at FCC? I emailed Mr. Shenk and asked for the original letter he sent out. He sent it to me. I would like to compare the one he sent me to the one that Morey gave out at FCC to see if there is any differences. Please contact me at:<BR/>theocentric7@Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-69534315788223365382008-05-04T23:49:00.000-07:002008-05-04T23:49:00.000-07:00Amen Mosher. That you.Amen Mosher. That you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-20011444179564540172008-05-04T23:24:00.000-07:002008-05-04T23:24:00.000-07:00JOel,Do not be discouraged, know that God is Sover...JOel,<BR/>Do not be discouraged, know that God is Sovereign, and this is one more warning among many who have acted in a semi-prophet role of rebuking Dr. Bob...there will be an exile period of Total defeat and exposure by God almighty if he does not repent...only God can save him, and when that time come, we will praise GOd for His justice, but also mourn, mourn for the sins, and mourn for Dr. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-89645714998740644952008-05-04T22:22:00.000-07:002008-05-04T22:22:00.000-07:00At this point things definitely seem to be "dying ...At this point things definitely seem to be "dying down" by way of smart design on Morey's side. The best move for him at this point is total silence, deletion, and censorship--complete extermination–of any hint that anyone has ever complained. This is a smart move on his part. The worst thing he did was try to go toe-to-toe with so many people who know so much about his ways. Every word he Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-70536415291904945812008-05-04T20:13:00.000-07:002008-05-04T20:13:00.000-07:00Lenny,I completely understand. Even though I was ...Lenny,<BR/><BR/>I completely understand. Even though I was not on the “inside” I could see the tip of an iceberg of financial and organizational folly. Not to mention the Oneness Pentecostal group that was renting church space. How ironic, morey the apologist of all apologists was renting to a group that denies the Trinity! I suddenly became aware of the fate of those who approached Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09056251312146371911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-69905611766766996822008-05-04T19:31:00.000-07:002008-05-04T19:31:00.000-07:00josh, forgot to add that when speaking with april,...josh, forgot to add that when speaking with april, she indicated it was dr. morey who DID NOT want to pay the wells fargo cash handling fee "supposedly" associated with depositing the cash from offerings into the bank. that was 1 of about 5 reasons they had for him taking it home. you can talk to joey and he can verify much of what i'm saying because he knew a lot of this before i even met with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-74921072783345955882008-05-04T19:08:00.000-07:002008-05-04T19:08:00.000-07:00Josh wrote: I do not remember that even being add...Josh wrote: I do not remember that even being addressed. He acted as though it was a common practice for a church to put this money in a home safe. I do recall him saying something about supposedly putting it in a church bank account during the week. <BR/><BR/>Josh, i can imagine comedian Jay Leno saying to the audience, "Do you know mafia guys are now getting into the church business!" Yeah, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-39097742381796236082008-05-03T11:34:00.000-07:002008-05-03T11:34:00.000-07:00It unfortunately looks like the sweeping under the...It unfortunately looks like the sweeping under the rug has begun.It seems quiet on all fronts.My wife has been in contact with quite a few women still attending FCC, and they have no clue whats going on.It seems the only way to stop the guy would be some kind of legal indictment.I wonder why that never happened with the Wessels.Oh well Gods Sovereign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-3955784324838279012008-05-03T10:55:00.000-07:002008-05-03T10:55:00.000-07:00The same is true of the first batch of deacons. I...The same is true of the first batch of deacons. I read one resignation letter from someone who used to work for the ministry and he complained also about there be no elders or even deacons. Shortly thereafter, what do you know, Morey installed deacons, of which I was one of them. But as I showed already, he had virtually no idea who was being made deacons or for what reason. Cindy and Anne Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-19502452364370650822008-05-01T19:48:00.000-07:002008-05-01T19:48:00.000-07:00Lenny:"Josh, when dr. morey admitted to taking the...Lenny:<BR/><BR/>"Josh, when dr. morey admitted to taking the money home and hoarding it in a safe, did he address why cash from offerings wasn't being put in the bank like with a normal church?"<BR/><BR/>I do not remember that even being addressed. He acted as though it was a common practice for a church to put this money in a home safe. I do recall him saying something about supposedly puttingJoshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02767232512406147488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-85707169056660914052008-04-29T22:56:00.000-07:002008-04-29T22:56:00.000-07:00correction, they changed process sometime in 1Q or...correction, they changed process sometime in 1Q or 2Q 2006Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-87821042046311196332008-04-29T22:53:00.000-07:002008-04-29T22:53:00.000-07:00Josh, when dr. morey admitted to taking the money ...Josh, when dr. morey admitted to taking the money home and hoarding it in a safe, did he address why cash from offerings wasn't being put in the bank like with a normal church? what appalled me at the time was they flat out admitted they had TWO sets of books. His books (which i never saw nor did they show them to me to build any confidence in what they were saying) i was told represented the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-27527978115785279712008-04-29T19:08:00.000-07:002008-04-29T19:08:00.000-07:00The lectures are still on the Faith Defenders site...The lectures are still on the Faith Defenders site, but no longer on the FCC site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-48717883548833692502008-04-29T18:35:00.000-07:002008-04-29T18:35:00.000-07:00No it looks like all the elder audio is still ther...No it looks like all the elder audio is still there under lectures.Works for me at least on Firefox fwiw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-81994960736390707512008-04-29T18:14:00.000-07:002008-04-29T18:14:00.000-07:00Anon 4:40: Can you please email me at GArellano@oc...Anon 4:40: Can you please email me at GArellano@ocweekly.com? Anonymity guaranteed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-36866436931149473832008-04-29T16:40:00.000-07:002008-04-29T16:40:00.000-07:00Gustavo Arrellano has written a blog part 4 over a...Gustavo Arrellano has written a blog part 4 over at OC Weekly on Dr. Morey.<BR/><BR/>http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/gimme-that-oc-religion/robert-morey-has-indoctrinated/<BR/><BR/>It looks like Dr. Morey has also taken down all the lectures on eldership that were on his site. I have them all saved though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-20291023164961209162008-04-29T11:36:00.000-07:002008-04-29T11:36:00.000-07:00Lenny,"When people started finding out that robert...Lenny,<BR/><BR/>"When people started finding out that robert morey really didn't have a DMin in apologetics from Westminster (something he claimed for years, but it was a more general degree)."<BR/><BR/>Just to clarify, he did graduate with a D.Min in 1) church ministry 2) counseling, etc. BUT not Apologetics. <BR/><BR/>I am wondering if he thought that people are that stupid?<BR/><BR/>D.Min in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-26325832060074801472008-04-29T11:21:00.000-07:002008-04-29T11:21:00.000-07:00thanks nicki. believe it or not, support from a fe...thanks nicki. believe it or not, support from a few of the saints at this time is actually comforting. When i first met with dr. bob on the issue of bringing more accountability to the financial process, he flipped it on me saying that i'm the problem and warned not to tell anyone or else... It was very painful to go through something like that. i had a lot of anger for a while - "how could Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-76426740105475919452008-04-29T10:22:00.000-07:002008-04-29T10:22:00.000-07:00Lenny, Thank you for coming forward with your "E...Lenny,<BR/><BR/> Thank you for coming forward with your "Eye Witness" testimony. Here is yet another example of the shady dealings of Dr. Bob. If only we knew the Truth at the time, or if only we saw the Truth. God has his reasons why he is choosing to reveal a lot of this now. May the Lord continue to be Glorified in all that we say and do.<BR/><BR/>NickiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-38656062641750417642008-04-28T22:36:00.000-07:002008-04-28T22:36:00.000-07:00Josh wrote: "The day Bob did so was also the day ...Josh wrote: "The day Bob did so was also the day he ADMITTED (in front of the congregation) to taking all of the offerings straight to his home. His lame excuse was that he was "the only one with a safe".<BR/><BR/>Josh, thanks for the support. When i discussed with bob the money handling before my letter to them, bob used the excuse that the "Russell" brothers in texas had ripped him off and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-52102220822416904612008-04-28T22:07:00.000-07:002008-04-28T22:07:00.000-07:00Wow. Great work Joel and Lenny. Joel, you've set...Wow. Great work Joel and Lenny. Joel, you've set the record straight with this article and outlined exactly why all of this is taking place to begin with. So many of the kool-aid crew fail to understand that those who were abused by Bob are the victims and not the other way around. What you have written above explains exactly why we are here - for legitimate, biblical reasons. <BR/><BR/>Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02767232512406147488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-87672262828263791362008-04-28T18:44:00.000-07:002008-04-28T18:44:00.000-07:00Joel, thanks for the reinforcement. I suppose i c...Joel, thanks for the reinforcement. I suppose i could mention that when i first wrote letter to the requesting a simple change to the money handling process, i specifically stated to them i was not trying to "sink the FCC ship," but wanted a process in place that would be beyond reproach, that both IRS and Big 8 auditors would approve of, not to mention church financial responsibility Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174041737100084812.post-81900153233447036952008-04-28T18:08:00.000-07:002008-04-28T18:08:00.000-07:00Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lanter...Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!"---As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com